Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:44:53 +0200 - Message No. 3593
From: Stefan Loth

Subject: Re: Info about Scotland and question regarding GIVI with Five-Stars


Last year I was travelling also with 2 large and a
small Givi case on a 5* carrier. After a more or 
less equal expirience with this solution of vibrations 
and also the handling of the bike in situations where 
you don't have enough place (Givi makes a very wide bike)
I sold the Givi boxes and the 5* carrier. I bought 2 large
H&B cases and also the carrier. It is made in a outstanding
quality (everything fits perfect on the RD 07). Due to 
the fact that the boxes are sitting over the exhaust, the bike
gets less wide and is easier to handle. I came back last week
from Toscany (the first vacation with this solution). There
are no vibrations or any other problems. 
One point is, due to the higher cases, you have to get your 
feet higher to get onto the bike. Also the H&B solution costs more
than the Givi solution. But, from handling and quality it
is worth the money. If it will be nessessary in the future, I will
buy this solution at the first time, than I can can save the time and
money
for buying and selling the Givi stuff.

Good luck

Stefan



Dr. Dietmar H. Appel wrote:
> 
> Hi Steffen!
> 
> Perhaps besides buying a new carrier there is another solution for your
> problem. To stop the wobble, there has to be a (best: frame-fixed) direct
> connection between the two boxes. This connection should be made from
> square profiles (for example 15x15mm), so no normal round pipe. Pay
> attention to the wheel and its way in and out in regard to the spring. A
> good idea would be to lead the square pipe backwards around the wheel,
> close to your number plate. If you want to do a good work, give your newly
> welded connection part to a locksmith and put it in their
> high-temperature-oven for an hour and give it enough time to cool down
> slowly.
> This solution doesn't cost a lot and should help your problem.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Dietmar
> 
> >Hi to all @-riders
> >
> >recently I have been to Scotland on my @rd04. This was the trip I will never
> >forget. 10 days cruising on single tracks - the greatest you can imagine!!!
> >Although the tracks are sometimes in a very bad condition the Metzeler Enduro
> >4 was the right choice.
> >
> >Only with me cases I had some smaller problems. I have mounted Give 45 L (both
> >sides) and a 36 L top-case on a Five-Star-carrier-system. With a speed between
> >50 to nearly 100 km/h the shimmy-effect was terrible!! The friend of mine, who
> >joined me on a 1100 GS informed me that the cases already started to wobble at
> >a speed of only 20 km/h!! It looks and feels terrible and I often wonder that
> >the cases didn't fall and that the carrier-system didn't break.
> >
> >So to avoid this experiance on my next trip I need some information, if anyboy
> >else has made this experience and if you have found a solution for this
> >problem. Is there any stable carrier-system that can be combined with the
> >Givi's without this wobbling-effect!!
> >
> >Please give me a short feedback regarding this matter, because I'm already
> >planning my next trip to France!! Furthermore if anybody of you is planning to
> >make a trip to Scotland - don't hesitate to contact me if you need any
> >information!!!
> >
> >See you on the road again......
> >
> >Steffen
> 
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