Thu May 29 00:09:36 1997
- Message No. 946
From: Jorn Ronnow
Subject: Re: Rumour or true stories ??
At 12:56 97-05-28 +0100, Rob wrote:
>Jorn you wrote:
>
>> Regarding banning motorcycles.
>
>> They can't do it just like that, because it would be too big a step,
>> and as such noticed and debated. The smarter strategy is to
>> do it step by step,
>> each step being too small to get attention.
>
>Not true, if a political party has a big enough majority and the issue
>is emotive enough if can easily be done. Look at recent UK legislation
>regarding Gun Control, all pistols will shortly be outlawed here, even
>those purely for sporting use. Don't forget, that in the eye's of many
>Motorcycles are just as dangerous as Guns.
Even so, we should not assume that Brussel politicians don't want to ban
bikes, just because they haven't tried it yet. Every small step (anti
tampering etc) in that direction is dangerous to us.
>> >> Most bikes today can not handle the new
>> >> noice regs with the engine SWITCHED OFF!! The road noice and
>> >> mechanical
>> >> noice from the chain is higher.
>> >
>> >Rubbish, most motorcycles on sale today can meet the proposed 80dB
>> >limit.
>>
>> I don't know what source you have, but they apparently have different
>> measuring equipment than the Swedish MOT. Or maybe they forgot the
>> fact
>> that the bike must be moving while measuring?
>
>Yeah okay so Sweeden has draconian MOT regs, that is not the case across
>the rest of Europe and the measurement demanded by the current European
>regs, is that the Bike generates no more than 82dB and 5000rpm.
Testing of moving bikes isn't implemented in Sweden yet, but some "demos"
have been made at MOT (TÜV) stations to show the effects of proposed EU
legislation.
>Don't moan about on an Internet list get out there and do something
>about it. We all face the same problem, it is a case of making sure that
>we get our point of view across to Brussels.
That's where the politicians have the upper hand on us: they do their stuff
full time, we have to squeeze it in between full time jobs, family and biking.
>I had by the way noted that you'd changed back to your original pipe
>but, you admidt you had a noisy pipe to start with.
Not quite: it becomes noisy when the padding burns out. Then, I have to
repad it which will make it silent again. Meanwhile, I use the original to
avoid unwanted attention.
>I didn't understand this bit about compensation, I don't remember a
>mention of compensation in your original piece?
"Engineers will compensate for it... etc"
>In my home street we have one guy with a Yamaha Trail Bike, with a noisy
>pipe. My neighbours hate this guy because of the noise he makes
I agree, that's why I maintain my pipe (=pad it regularly). And that's why
I hate Supertrapp pipes.
>> 3) Unable to come with up actual arguments, an attempt is made to
>> shift the
>> focus to a personal level, by making an attack on the counterpart (or
>> "monkey"). Usually, this encourages reciprocity (the "monkey"
>> reinforces
>> the shift to the personal level), but let's spare Micha the trouble.
>>
>Too deep for me, though perhaps my argument was too deep for you?
Yeah, "monkey" and "rubbish" were real deep. But judging from the latest
reply, I think we're past that stage now, right? So, I won't pin my ears
back! :-)
>> Why not? Because the punitive taxes make them more expensive to run
>> than their petrol counterparts, for the average driver.
>
>Okay these is a local Sweedish issue and beyond the remit here.
The taxing is similar in Germany, which is bad, since the Germans
(especially Audi/VW) lead the diesel technology.
>Modern Diesels don't have high emisions, this is a myth put out by the
>Petrol companies...
If that's the case, it is unfortunate that the politicians beleive it. Or
maybe they just see it as a good way to get tax revenues?
>As the Compresion ignition engine goes far beyond anything the spark
>ignition engine can run at, then compresion ignition, at least for cars
>is the way to go.
Does this mean that we can hope for a direct injection, self igniting
petrol engine?
>> Come to the Rinkaby meeting, and see how addictive it is!
>> (http://hem.passagen.se/tenere)
>>
>Not this year I'm affraid, though having done one near high side slide
>on my @ I can appreciate the adrenlin rush.
Sliding on asphalt, I suppose? Confine those excercises to dust roads, for
better peace of mind :-)
Keep sliding (but not on asphalt...)
-Jorn
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