Wed Nov 27 08:47:21 1996 - Message No. 205
From: Achim.Muehlberger@fhs-hagenberg.ac.at (Achim Muehlberger)

Subject: GIVI discussion


Hi,

someone mentioned to use the 36 litre GIVI-boxes with the @.

Well, I'm actually using two 45 litre GIVI Elegant on the side and a 50 
litre GIVI Maxia on the top.

The biggest disadvantage of such a huge "suit-case-room" (Kofferraum) :-) is 
that your girlfriend is able to put more stuff in it as you'd like to ... :-))

Concerning the width of the bike - it is true that it get's extreme wide. It 
is even wider than a Goldwing (measured it!!). But if you get used to, it is 
even possible to hop in stocking traffic between the cars.

A little disadvantage of the Five Stars carriers is that
1)      the the right case is VERY far on the outside (because of exhaust);
        possible solution (and the one from Five Stars and GIVI as I think):
        buying a 36 litre case for the right side. -> Disadvantage: less space;
        45 litre only ~ 500 ATS more expensive than 36 litre.
2)      the cases are a little bit too near to the ground - take a look
        at the Super Ténéré's Five stars carriers - they are ~ 10 cm higher 
        than the ones for the @. -> Disadvantage out of that: higher "Schwer-
        punkt" (weight-point :-)) ) -> unstability of bike

Another "disadvantage" of the two 45' boxes is the following: When the cases 
are full with your sozias things and you try to do very small curves, you 
will often hear a scratch - Yes, your cases touch the street!! After the 
first two or three times you get used to it, you know when it will happen. 
This effect not only happens to just one side; both sides are effected. 
By the way, a friend of mine has the same @ as I have with the same case 
carrier and the same GIVI cases - one of them will soon have a hole because 
of scratching the curves.

Something I'm not very sure about is the max load on rear - the sticker on 
the rear and the manual speak about 10 (or is it 15 (?) ) kg, but I know 
that a well packed GIVI case has more than that! (~ 20 to 25 kg, depends on 
the girl friend's luggage). And the Five Stars carriers for the two 
side-bags are screwed to the bike at the sozia's foot-holder, behind the 
rear tyre to each other, AND 2 times to the back of your bike. One is 
directly screwed to the "original-luggage-holder's-front-screw", and the 
other UNDER the luggage holder - I think some further weight is put on the 
rear of the bike.
But till now I had no problems with overload except worse handling.

Has someone ever experienced problems with too much weight on the rear, e.g. 
did someone break his rear because of too much weight? Because I think they 
introduced this weight only because of handling-reasons - the @ seams to be 
stable enough!


greetings,

Achim Muehlberger


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