Thu, 7 May 1998 09:23:00 +0100 - Message No. 2903
From: gmitropoulos@pnc.co.uk

Subject: Re: disc locks...


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gmitropoulos@pnc.co.uk wrote:

> Pete,
>
> since you seem to be an expert on the subject,

Hey, I'm no expert, their just a few observations I've made in my time as
an
alarm installer house and vehicle.

> have you seen sola-larm? RiDE claim they have built a good and cheap unit
> (around

Don't be too impressed by RIDE and such like claims, they are normally
based
on an attack on the vehicle lasting up to 5 minutes or so, which in the
real
world rarely happens except by a pro and you aint gonna stop them.I have no
real experience on the Sola alarm but I know the features of it and their
the
same as 1000 other diy alarms so why pay 
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=A365 when =A340 will do and forget
about
the Insurance approved one's unless your gonna get a substantial discou=
nt
on
premiums, the skill is in the fitting, most DIY people will fit the ala=
rm
in
an easily reached spot and all the wiring is done within a few inches o=
f
the
main unit, big mistake,
1st:  is to fit the unit in the most inaccessible point on the cycle,
preferably under a bolted seat with unusual type bolts which are non
standard
to the Cycle.
2nd: If the wires on the unit are colour coded cut them as short as
possible
and add extra length's of black wire, that makes it difficult for them =
to
trace the wires back, try to get wires that will match with the bikes
existing
wires and run them as long as possible, so for example change the power=

supply
from say red to black and route the wires from the back of the bike und=
er
the
tank to the front and then to the back again helps in the confusion and=

don't
bunch all the wires together either or its easily spotted, always fuse
everything, earth, supply, indicators etc. in case of any shorts anywhe=
re
later.
3rd always use a siren that has battery backup built in and mount the s=
iren
in
the most inaccessible place so that access cannot be gained to the trum=
pet
because if you can block the air around a siren you wont here it go off=
,
try
sticking your hand over the siren tube and you'll see.
and preferably use 2 sirens, you can get little Piezo sirens as used in=

house
alarms they draw very little voltage.4th fit it yourself and never disc=
uss
your security with anyone other than to say it is belled up.5th regardl=
ess
of
features always fit the unit as best you can so even the cheapest alarm=
 is
gonna take 3 or 4 hours to fit and you'll need to dismantle most of the=

bike
to do it properly, if it only takes you 10 minutes to fit then how long=
 do
you
expect someone to take to nick it !!!

> =A370).

=A364.99 from MPS, although there has been some stink about their faili=
ng to
deliver the goods lately along with M & P.

> What's your opinion? I am thinking on buying one.
>
> And also they say they offer "optional immobization feature" (at an e=
xtra
> cost of =A325)
> which traps your starter motor rather than the ignition "for safety".=

>
> In terms of the immobilizer, in my cards that means anybody can jump
start
> the bike without any problem.
> Am I right?

Normal things to immobilize would be Ignition, starter, fuel pump and e=
cu
(be
very sure before tampering with the ecu.)
no one thing is good enough on its own, disconnect the ignition and the=
y'll
hot wire it, disconnect the start circuit and they'll bump start it. so=
 use
as
many as you can.

but after all that and making us all paranoid the things I would recomm=
end
is
a big chain or two through the frame onto a thick tree or lamp post typ=
e
object, disk locks, (lever locks as a second ) front and rear. U bolts
etc.,
and finally if you store your bike in a shed or garage make sure they a=
lso
have an alarm and strong locks and preferably a good ground anchor sunk=

into
the concrete floor, remember the crooks like to work in the peace and
quiet,
so don't give em the chance.

and one of the most important things is to make sure your insurance is =
very
good and waterproof with no silly little get out clauses and if your bi=
ke
is
ever stolen make sure you emphasize how much care you ALWAYS take over
securing your bike be it down the local pub or in the garage, and don't=

ever
tell em you left the keys in it, even if you did. :)

now the way I book it that little lot should cost you around =A310000 :=
) and
you
still wont guarantee against it being stolen !!!

and DON'T ever think you are just protecting it from the professional t=
hief
a
normal T leaf will see stealing your bike as an opportunity to earn jus=
t a
few
hundred pounds for a few minutes work, so lock up guys.

hope this helps some of you, guess I went on a bit.

Pete



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